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One of Dare's assistants came over and asked Vatterott what he wanted to talk about during the interview. Vatterott said he wanted to make fun of Matthew "Mancow" Muller, the Kansas City-born, Chicago-based morning DJ syndicated in some small U.S. markets.
"Johnny doesn't like Mancow," the assistant said. "They don't get along. He doesn't even like it when people mention him." Vatterott suggested that he talk about bad morning DJs in general. He got the OK.
Inside the studio, Vatterott and Glazer took their spots in front of microphones across from Dare as the host talked his way into the segment. After some chitchat with Vatterott, Dare brought Glazer into the conversation. Glazer plays a heightened version of himself on Dare's show — raunchier and a little racist, in the mold of Archie Bunker. Glazer told a story about having sex with a woman he met on Grindr, the website on which people post their locations in the hopes of finding some nearby individual who wants to hook up.
"You're just one big herpe," Dare said.
The actor Rick Schroder (Lonesome Dove, NYPD Blue) called in during Vatterott's segment. He and Dare spoke for 10 minutes about a new, unscripted show that Schroder is involved with, in which he's teamed with the U.S. Army to depict military life.
Glazer was not impressed. "A little over the top," he said on the air, after Schroder hung up.
"How is your book selling?" Dare shot back.
"Why are you bringing up the book?"
"Because you're trying to demean Rick Schroder."
"I wasn't demeaning him."
"It's always 'big me, little you' with him [Glazer]," Dare told his audience. "You are going to be the guy whose greatest regret in life is that you didn't get your movie, about you, made. ... You know you're never going to get this movie made."
Glazer's tone changed. "Well, I'm not going to get into it, but we're just about there." But before the segment was over, Glazer had brought Dare, Vatterott and every 98.9 listener up to speed on the progress of the film.
In the parking lot afterward, discussing Dare and his show, Glazer said, "Look, credit to Johnny: He's the most successful media personality in the history of the city. But is he a friend?"
He paused and let a wounded look register briefly on his face. "You know, would a friend say that he hopes your movie never gets made?"
Dare and Glazer's relationship perhaps owes its chill to the deterioration of their business venture. In 2004, as Stanford and Sons faced a lawsuit from its Westport landlord, the Glazer brothers and Dare opened a hard-rock-and-barbecue club together in the space. Johnny Dare's, as it was called, filed for bankruptcy less than a year later.
"It was a great idea at the wrong location," Glazer said. "Our salaries were way too high. The space was too small. Johnny tried to get involved with running it, which led to a million arguments. Once it wasn't doing so hot anymore, he wouldn't be there. For him, it was just like, 'Well, I'll just move on and keep doing radio, no big deal.' So I think ultimately our relationship was damaged as a result." (Dare didn't return phone calls for this story.)